Based Camp: Why Did Epstein Have So Many Customers?

In this nuanced discussion, Malcolm and Simone analyze how societal elites can become embroiled in unethical activities. They delve into group psychology and the human need for belonging. The conversation explores how insular communities formed around shared interests or backgrounds can lead to normalization of taboo behaviors. Malcolm and Simone advocate thoughtful examination of these complex social dynamics rather than speculative assumptions.

Malcolm: [00:00:00] male sexuality is pulled between two extremes as a guy, you can optimize for gender dimorphism,

Malcolm: so you are assuring that the thing you're breeding with is female. So this is larger butts, larger breasts, larger fingernails, longer hair, more voluptuous shape. Or you can be optimizing for fertility window. The problem is, is that you're actually typically optimizing for the opposite. When you're optimizing for fertility window, you are optimizing for youth, which means you're typically optimizing for smaller breasts, smaller butt, smaller, waist hip ratio and stuff like that.

Malcolm: And so we looked at the data on this and this is a really shocking thing that we found is that the amount of wealth. A guy had in our data set correlated with which of these extremes he seemed to optimize

Simone: for.

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Malcolm: Hello, Simone. Hello, Malcolm. This is an edited recording. We had [00:01:00] originally recorded an episode on this topic and I decided I wanted to sanitize it as much as possible because I feel that this is a topic that really, really needs to be talked about in a sane way, but that is incredibly controversial.

Malcolm: And so we don't want to. Step on any toes with this or make any potentially false or spurious accusations with this. Specifically, what we want to talk about is with this recent movie that's come out, there's been a lot of people being like, the concept of circles within sort of the wealthy class that traffic in underage women is, is a complete fantasy.

Malcolm: It's a complete fictional thing. And I do think a lot of this stuff is, is, you know, sort of conspiracy theories that have gone a little crazy. However, what we learned from the Epstein case is that it's, it's not a [00:02:00] complete fantasy. Like there was at least one real circle in which this was happening. And the, the reason I want to talk about this is , how could this happen in my adult life?

Malcolm: I do not meet many people who like to see themselves as bad people. Most people want to see themselves as good people who are trying to make the world a better place. So how did giant networks of some of the wealthiest people in the world? Get roped into something like this and I think we can look at this as an isolated case But I really don't think it is there's been a lot of people freaking out about a specific campaign manager having potentially artwork that looks like Kids are being hurt in it in the artwork now There is actually no proof this artwork that he owns it that he has it in his house But what no one is really denying is that the artwork itself exists and is [00:03:00] real and is in museums sometimes, or is on big displays that people are funding, that people are paying a lot of money for this artwork.

Malcolm: It shows

Simone: up in ad campaigns. I mean,

Malcolm: yeah, like, like the, the, that the artwork exists is, and so this is what we mean by sort of this place is. Is people can tie something, like they can be like, this guy owns this artwork, right? And then they go in a whole rabbit hole with that. And then the other side can be like, well, no, actually, he's not the one who owns the artwork.

Malcolm: And there's not like this third group that's saying, okay. But even if he's not, why does this artwork exist, and why is it being shown in, like, art museums and stuff like that? Like, it seems to be that a certain class of people within our society, the, the, the, the group of people, or one cultural group within our society, that goes to things like art museums, doesn't have, , an extreme resistance.

Malcolm: to this sort of depiction. If [00:04:00] you were to hang one of these pieces in like a Bass Pro store, or like a traditional black barber shop, or like our local Indian marketplace, you would be beaten near to death. Like, immediately. Like... The most cultural groups in America just would have zero tolerance of this within sort of, I guess I call them the art museum class in our society.

Malcolm: There is a level of tolerance to this. And I think another place you saw this, there was the recent scandal was the clothing brand, right? Where they had some

Simone: name it with Balenciaga.

Malcolm: Well, are you sure we can name it? Yeah. I've been trying not to name anything. Okay. With Balenciaga. Now, the thing to remember is who is Balenciaga's client base, right?

Malcolm: Like, they are sort of an elite cultural group within our society. The people who are creating this ad campaign are literally the world experts in what this demographic within society Considers. Okay. What they want, what [00:05:00] their needs are, what will catch on was in their cultural group. It's not like this, this campaign was created by some like random wacko.

Malcolm: You know, the marketing department at Valenciaga is literally the world specialist at how do we appeal to, I guess what I'd call the art museum cultural group. Right. And clearly like this, it's not like, Okay. These campaigns were like the work of one person, like they got multiple levels of approval.

Malcolm: Right? So they thought that this would appeal to that cultural group. And so the question is, and where we wanted to go into all this is without making any very, like, specific accusations here. Is it. There appears to be an elite cultural group in our society that has much more tolerance for this sort of thing than any other cultural group in our society.

Malcolm: And when I go out in the world and like, I meet normal people, people who are interested in, in And people who [00:06:00] present physically, like really young, that's just not that common. That's not like a common thing in the normal world. So why is it so common among the ultra wealthy in our society? Like that, that that's the question.

Malcolm: That I think everybody recognizes is like weird that it's happening. But the only two ways we have for engaging with this question is either just, you know, wild conspiratorial speculation or saying that even asking this question. Is conspiratorial and we want to try to approach this from a more even keeled perspective.

Simone: Right. Because we've talked about this in other episodes, the essentially like dog whistling effect that you can get.

Simone: with a culture let's say you're Mormon and you can tell that someone else is a Mormon when others can't because you can kind of see oh, they're definitely wearing garments or something. It makes you feel really good and it makes you feel a lot closer to them. So is perhaps all of this really blatant.

Simone: Lolita stuff that kind of [00:07:00] signaling? Is that what you're thinking? Well,

Malcolm: I mean, so this is what's interesting. So I think historically, if you look at conservative power groups, in the 50s, 60s, 70s there were a lot of gay organizations within the conservative power circles. And I think That and I, I say this because I have tangentia