Based Camp: How Some use LGBTQ+ to Launder White Pride

I told Simone uploading this was a bad idea but she insist I am just being a wuss. In it we discuss how LGBT culture has become a way for white people to express pride - something not allowed through other outlets - and that that this function of LGBT culture has facilitated the expansion of definitions within it.

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Simone: [00:00:00] I think what really did resonate with me was this Backdoor to pride, even if you are white. And I wonder if that's why there's creep into the PRIDE community.

Simone: I was just listening to commentary today. On the addition of, for example, poly people maybe to L G B T QA plus Pride and also Asexual people many people complain , well, asexuality is more like a hormone imbalance than it is a sexuality. But then , where do you draw the line?

Simone: If in the end, maybe someone being gay or trans or any other things could be a product of their hormones, which could even be influenced by things that their mothers did or did not do, did or did not consume, were, or were not exposed to. So I feel like there's this really interesting gradation.

Simone: At any rate, Maybe why some people are really drawn to try to loop themselves in to things like Pride month. When they are, for example, just asexual, or poly maybe that's to say like, I wanna be proud about something about myself culturally, something about my people and my [00:01:00] tribe.

Simone: And I also think that like, I don't know of the people I know who are asexual, who are poly, they are overwhelmingly white, overwhelmingly on the wealthier and more educated end of the spectrum.

Simone: I do think it's telling that of all the places where I've been in the world,

Simone: that where we see pride most. I guess openly and enthusiastically celebrated is also where white culture is also super not cool to celebrate. Like I was just thinking about like, where's the only other place where I've seen like, enthusiastic celebration of L G B T

Simone: can you guess? I don't know, Germany,

Malcolm: Like big time. Oh, interesting. Yeah. They do have bigger pride events in other

Simone: places. Yeah.

Simone: Pride in coastal cities, is the strongest,

Simone: Cause when I think about like the best, like gay pride parades I've been to or drag shows or like events in general. San Francisco, obviously DC Cape Cod, like just,

Malcolm: oh yeah. Those are definitely locations where you would have the highest amount of cultural shame

Simone: With this [00:02:00] new model of L G B T as laundered white pride do you view it any differently? Like, I don't know what to make of it yet in my head, I think I, I'm gonna, well, I feel

Malcolm: kindness. It's not great to grow up feeling like your ethnic group is wretched and deplorable and like intrinsically genetically or culturally worse.

Malcolm: Than all other groups. And not everybody raises their kids believing this, but , there definitely is a portion of the population that raises their kids believing this. And I think that portion of the population's kids is a portion that is most likely to end up identifying its L G B T.

Malcolm: I don't see it as a bad thing really, because it's better than these kids having nothing they can have pride in. Yeah. Yeah. Especially if you buy this, meme that there's just something intrinsically immoral about white people or whiteness, which exists within certain cultural groups, especially in the, San Francisco, New York area.

Malcolm: People started basing their identities off of the [00:03:00] state of the Sexual identity research 20 years ago.

Malcolm: And now if you. Update the research. Like if the research finds new things, well then you've undermined someone's identity, right? So you can't update, it's now canon, it's now whatever the state of the field was 20 years ago. That's canon. Even if it doesn't align with the actual data, which is, one of the things that we point out in our book is the concept.

Malcolm: Of even gay and straight is probably not a really effective way of talking about yeah. Sexual identity

Simone: Hello, Malcolm. Hello

Malcolm: Simone. What are we gonna talk about today? Is it White Pride

Simone: you? You shared with me the most interesting theory about White Pride this morning. I would love for you to expand upon it. Let's dive into it. Yeah,

Malcolm: so one thing that we were talking about was this concept that, you know, generally.

Malcolm: When you're looking at falling fertility rates, one of the things that's really associated with cultural groups [00:04:00] that have been able to maintain their fertility rate is pride in that cultural group. Like a belief that we are a good thing in the world and more of this thing should exist. And we argue this is one of the reasons why Jewish populations have been so resistant to fertility collapse because a lot of the times, you talk to a Jewish person and they're like, I want more Jewish people to exist in the future.

Malcolm: And Okay, so that, that makes a lot of sense. But when you're talking about white people more broadly, like Caucasians, generally, I think that there's this belief that if they have any pride in an aspect of who they are or their culture, that is white pride and it is evil, right?

Malcolm: The interesting thing is there has been a group that has come with a message that says, oh, actually, if you join our cultural group now you can be white and have pride in the cultural group you've joined, and this is the lgbtq plus population.

just for some statistics here. [00:05:00] Gay married couples have a hae higher, medium household income than opposite sex. Married couples. But their poverty rates are about equal. And, if you look across the us population, you actually see higher rates. I have black and Hispanic LGBT identification currently. But this disappears and becomes the opposite. When you correct for age, this is more because there are more younger, black and Hispanic people in the general population.

Malcolm: And I think the real smoking gun, that this is what's happening, that it is allowing predominantly white, middle, and upper class individuals who otherwise are told by society they can't have pride in anything. Well, now you're allowed to have pride, is that it has now becoming kind of offensive to discuss.

Malcolm: That being gay is something you're born as, or being trans is something you're born as. And if you think this is an offensive thing to discuss and you're like no. Nobody thinks that's offensive to [00:06:00] discuss. Well, okay, so there's a recent study

Malcolm: Simone, why don't you talk about this

Simone: study, right? Yeah. Cause I was the one to first get really freaked out about it. One group of researchers looking at the presence of endocrine disruptors in first trimester mothers found that mothers with elevated levels of endocrine disruptors also saw Higher rates of boys born essentially with like less transition to full maleness.

Simone: So for example, the distance between the anus and the penis was shorter, sort of like that developmental stage happened less completely, less successfully. And then around age eight boys who in utero in first trimester, Had mothers with higher concentrations of endocrine disruptors in