Andrew Tate: Our Thoughts

Malcolm and Simone have an in-depth discussion about the controversial internet personality Andrew Tate. They analyze his worldview, intelligence, backstory, masculinity, cultural influences, differences from their own perspectives, and more. The hosts find Tate to be smart and logically consistent overall, while disagreeing on certain issues like treatment of women. They explore how he appeals to young men lacking direction, the roots of his philosophies, and debate toxicity vs pragmatism. Ultimately they conclude that different cultural groups can productively co-exist while optimizing differently.

Simone: [00:00:00] I think he doesn't maintain frame. He is the frame and I do feel like he is a method actor who's had a psychotic break and is now. In the fantasy.

He is. And like, you can see it. You can see it when he talks. He is 100 percent genuine and I think he wakes up in the morning and he growls to himself

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Simone: I

Malcolm: want to start this episode. So Andrew Tate did a thing on how all of the world problems could be solved if every man had a sword in his house. And so he has this Honestly, it's a smaller sword than mine that he keeps in his house for one of the examples is if if your woman goes out and she learns about something from the news, like, some disease is supposed to be killing people and she's all panicked.

You just point your sword at her and say, don't be scared woman, and then we won't have problems anymore. And so we're beginning our Andrew Tate episode by showing this sword that's been in the, the back. Oh, I got to swing it around like an ultra nerd. Yeah. [00:01:00] Sorry. I can't

Simone: actually. You're going to, you're going to damage some serious

Malcolm: lights.

Inside and I am a dad. Which means that I may have swords in my house, but I'm a nerd because I do it. I'm not mad. In fact, I would argue every man who has swords in their house is just a nerd. Like I don't, I don't know how he thinks that makes him look tough. I, I think it The last question I got on this, somebody saw it and they go, Oh, you must be really into D& D.

And I'm like, well, you know. Ha ha ha ha ha. But I don't think that's my takeaway from him.

I guarantee you don't walk around your house with a sword because you're not a commander. I'm a commander. You know, like when you command the troops into battle.

I guarantee you. I do. Sorry. I looked up the video. The sword video and i found this and i just love he's like you don't walk around your house with a sword. i'm like yeah yeah, yeah. actually i do but um i don't i don't go around doing it feeling like i'm a commander i understand that walking around your house with a sword [00:02:00] and as a grown man is a sign of being a nerd and i accept that about myself

Malcolm: Which actually brings me to a point. Which is interesting and important. That's why we need people like Andrew Tate. So I often go through the comments when I do guest appearances on other podcasts and stuff like that.

And there is one type of comment that we just get, like, really, really regularly in these videos. Especially me when I appear, which is, look, I love the stuff he's saying, but he just looks like such a poindexter, you know, or I can't stand his voice, like he sounds too nerdy, or you know, like, I, I, like, I like it.

Like he's, he's saying important facts that we need to know, but he is like in some way repellent because of how nerdy I appear. And this is actually really interesting because the two places where I've gotten these comments the most, one was when I did an appearance on the Jolly Heretic where, [00:03:00] and then the other was when I did an appearance with Ruby.

He's the guy who does What If Alt Hiss, but he has a separate podcast. Great podcast. And, you know, we should have them on sometime. But both of these guys are like objectively significantly nerdier looking than I am. And yes,

Simone: but you look young and Unabashedly enthusiastic, which is to say, like, you gesticulate, you bring a lot of, like, character and, like, goofiness into your, into your

Malcolm: mannerisms.

I, I think another thing it could be is I am nerdy, but I am also hot. Like, I, I know I'm hot. And it could be that I represent a nerd who is sexually threatening.

Simone: Well, but here's the other thing. I mean. Who is the other, so most people who are hot and funny and passionate and like physically like they gesticulate a lot and make a lot of like Uh, funny facial expressions.

It's, it's the gays. The [00:04:00] gays. So that's also why I think you get a lot of accusations for being gay. Is because you're like, you're attractive. But also you're flamboyant. And like, like expressive. And humorous. And

Malcolm: goofy. And that is not an accusation that I get as to why they can't listen to me. And this is really interesting.

Yeah, it's the nerd thing.

Simone: It's the nerd thing.

Malcolm: of men who genuinely have trouble consuming information from men that they don't see as one within their tribe into physically superior to them. I think this is why you look, you look at like some of the top like intellectual male influencers right now, and you're looking at people like Chris Williamson.

You're looking at people like Joe Rogan. You're looking at people like Andrew Tate. Touche. They, they, they genuinely struggle with a man who is in their eyes, physically weaker to them, being in a dominant position to them. And this is why we need people like Andrew [00:05:00] Tate, because I can communicate this message as much as I want.

But if I communicate it And it's not getting through to people because of whatever this filter is. Well, then I need it to, you know, I need some Chris Williamson's or some Andrew Tate's to watch our podcast and regurgitate what I say in other environments. Well, no, it's just true. And you look at the pictures that the no faces are showing within the conservative movement.

You know, you, you look at the pictures that are chosen by people like

Simone: By anonymous posters, you're saying people who do not

Malcolm: show their faces. . Bronze age pervert. Yeah, Bronze Age pervert, you know? It's like a masculine manly man, right? You know? He's, he's, he's, it's so guys can...

And so we can get through this, but I'd also point out that I'm not the only one who, who has this, one of my favorite things is that Simone was asked after me to appear on the trans maxing podcast and they go, you know, I really think it would help with viewership if you could present feminine and I like, like present as a woman [00:06:00] and I love Simone's you're like, I thought I was always presenting as a woman, like that's like the most underhanded thing like I've ever heard.

And I love it because I love how you know, sort of masculine you've become through this, this relationship. And see, I've got my sword here. So everyone knows I can defend myself. I don't think swords equal defense but no, so. I really want to get to Andrew Tate because I think that, one, he does help distribute important parts of a message that people need to hear, and two, I think that it is very easy to underestimate his intelligence.

If you would look at just the clips that people use to attack him, You can look at him and think this guy is a bit of a dullard, right? But if you look at his holistic content, what you realize is he is baiting them intentionally with those clips. He is actually a fairly high processing human being in terms of like.

I think [00:07:00]