Yuval Bitton, Former Head of Intelligence, Israeli Prison Service

Israel’s military appears to be countering Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's goals for the war in Gaza. In an interview, IDF spokesman Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari acknowledged what many observers have been arguing for months, saying, “Hamas is an idea. Those who think we can make Hamas disappear are wrong.” Israeli Doctor Yuval Bitton agrees; he probably knows the senior level of Hamas better than anyone. Also on today's show: Designer Diane von Furstenberg; Ebony Reed & Louise Story, Co-authors, "Fifteen Cents on the Dollar" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices