Norwegian Refugee Council head Jan Egeland

There are major disagreements about a possible agreement for a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas. The death toll in Gaza is fast approaching 30,000. And the U.N. warns of a looming famine as the World Food Program says it's suspended its aid deliveries amid a "collapse of civil order." Jan Egeland, head of the Norwegian Refugee Council, a major humanitarian organization, is in Gaza for the first time since the October 7th Hamas slaughter of Israelis. He joins the show from Rafah. Also on today's show: Christiane reports from Bucha; actor Jodie Foster; author Alexander Ward Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices