South Africa's Foreign Minister Ronald Lamola joins Christiane to discuss President Trump snubbing the G20 and the mysterious flights shuttling Palestinians from Gaza to South Africa. Then, retired Lt. Gen. Russel L. Honoré explains his fear for American democracy in the wake of the White House's immigration crackdown. From Mozambique, CNN's Nick Paton Walsh brings us a report on the sudden ISIS resurgence there in the wake of U.S.A.I.D withdrawal. Plus, movie star Tilda Swinton tells us about her new book "Ongoing" that traces her career and artistic collaborations. And from Christiane's archive, we mark the 80th anniversary of the Nuremberg Trials with Chief Prosecutor Benjamin Ferencz, who witnessed the horrors of World War II and convicted dozens of Nazi leaders. Air date: November 22, 2025 Guests: Ronald Lamola Russel L. Honoré Tilda Swinton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
