The Epstein Files with Sam and Amy: Day 10
More than 12 Epstein victims were seated in the chamber as guests of Democratic lawmakers at the State of the Union — and Trump didn't acknowledge them once. Sam notes that virtually no mainstream outlet covered this either, meaning the silence was effectively doubled. Amy isn't surprised: ignoring victims has been the tool of choice for powerful men throughout this entire story. Pam Bondi and the limits of DOJ independence. Sam and Amy dig into who actually has the power to release the files. Amy makes the legal case that the DOJ is an independent agency — and that Pam Bondi could technically release everything tomorrow, get fired, and still have done the right thing. But the pattern holds across administrations: Merrick Garland didn't release anything either, and neither did any attorney general before him. Bill Gates apologizes — sort of. In an internal town hall at the Gates Foundation, Gates reportedly apologized to staff for two extramarital affairs and for bringing Gates Foundation executives into multiple meetings with Epstein — including meetings that took place after Epstein's 2008 guilty plea. Sam and Amy discuss what it means that he's finally saying something, why fear of criminal liability may have kept others quiet, and whether Epstein used the relationship as leverage. They also push on whether Gates himself should be considered predatory, given his history of relationships with women who worked under him. The billionaire referral network. How did Epstein get so deeply embedded with so many powerful people? Sam and Amy theorize that there was an informal whisper network among billionaires — Epstein as the fixer everyone quietly passed along. Once someone like Leon Black vouches for you, the vetting is assumed. The darker implication: if Leon Black is introducing you to Epstein, he's made a judgment about what kind of person you are. Stephen Hawking and the island question. Hawking's repeated visits to Epstein Island are back in the headlines. Amy asks the question she keeps coming back to: why would anyone who could afford Richard Branson's island or a luxury resort go to what she describes as a "gaudy, trashy" private island with nothing to do — unless that was the point? Sam adds nuance: for academics and scientists, an invitation to a private island surrounded by billionaires was likely extraordinary, not suspicious. Nobel laureate steps down from Columbia. Richard Axel, who won the 2004 Nobel Prize for his work on the brain's olfactory system, resigned from his position at Columbia due to his Epstein affiliation. Amy sits with the frustration of it — that a scientist doing genuinely life-saving work is losing his platform while politicians with far more direct involvement stroll through the State of the Union untouched. She and Sam land on a new term for the people at the center of all this: not "the billionaire class" — the untouchables. Did Elon Musk visit the island? Musk is denying he ever went. Amy says she believes him — not because he's innocent of wanting to go, but because she thinks the timing or invitation may have fallen through. Sam notes something more interesting: Musk keeps targeting Reid Hoffman on social media, using Epstein specifically as the weapon. The backstory behind that feud is the subject of the next episode. Next episode: The Musk vs. Hoffman battle, why Epstein is at the center of it, and five new developments from the files.