Kass and Mike Lazerow sold their company for nearly $1 billion—and felt completely numb. In this episode of The Messy Parts, they share the brutal reality behind entrepreneurial success: kids struggling, health failing, friendships lost. Together with Maryam, they explore what radical transparency actually looks like when you strip away the corporate mask. It's a conversation about the hidden costs of achievement, the messiness of working with your spouse, and why showing your failures might be the most powerful leadership tool you have. Guests: Kass and Mike Lazerow -- Entrepreneurs, Investors, Authors https://kassandmike.com/ Follow Kass and Mike on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kassandmike and LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/kassandmike/ Topics Covered: Personal stories of failure, discomfort, and growth The hidden cost of success Working with your life partner The parenting paradox What "radical transparency" actually looks like in practice The emotional and cultural risk of telling the full truth Creating a work culture where "messy" is normalized Why leaders are still afraid of vulnerability The power of being honest before the outcome is clear How storytelling can be a leadership tool—not just a communications tactic The difference between transparency and oversharing When to hold back (and how to do it without losing trust) Mentioned: Kass & Mike’s book, Shoveling $h!t: A Love Story Mark Benioff (Salesforce CEO) Gary Vaynerchuk Phish (band) eToro Northwestern University Buddy Media Golf.com Further Reading: Radical Candor by Kim Scott The Power of Vulnerability – TED Talk by Brené Brown Psychological Safety in Teams – Google’s Project Aristotle – Research on why speaking up matters at work. The Tell by Amy Griffin Articles about Cambridge Analytica Dying for Sex documentary Send us a text Email us:
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