Our journey with season 2 continues to meander in beautiful and unexpected ways as we have the extreme privilege of speaking with author, pastor, theologian, and someone well seasoned in the art of pilgrimage: Wes Granberg-Michaelson! Wes blows our minds and invites us into new and deeper understandings of pilgrimage. We delve into pilgrimage as response to empire, important movements that are inviting us back to our truest selves, and what can undergird us in the uncertain times we find ourselves in. This expansive conversation was a gift to us as are all of you, dear listeners! Thanks for making season 2 a wild and lovely pilgrimage. Cool stuff we mention in this week’s episode (or meant to anyways): The Wandering Mind: What Medieval Monks did about Mental Distraction by: Jamie Kreiner Wesley Granberg-Michaelson Sojourners Without Oars: Casting Off into a Life of Pilgrimage The Soulwork of Justice: Four Movements of Contemplative Action A Strategy for Christian Witness against Trump’s Autocracy Summer Stars by: Carl Sandberg Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Radical Sacred and Summer Solstice 01:47 Meeting Wes Granberg-Michelson 02:24 Wes's Journey as a Pilgrim 07:43 Understanding Pilgrimage and Its Dual Nature 09:51 Integrating Internal and External Journeys 16:23 Intentionality in Pilgrimage 25:36 Four Movements of Pilgrimage 31:44 Navigating the Crisis in Seminaries 36:11 Creating a Holding Space for Spiritual Growth 39:50 Walking Away from Empire: The Power of Pilgrimage 50:33 The Role of Nature in Spiritual Connection