Join host Justin Forman as he sits down with bestselling author and pastor Francis Chan for a profound conversation about the tension between building and being, success and faithfulness, and the danger of running on life's treadmill without stopping to ask why. Speaking from his experiences in Hong Kong's fast-paced culture, Francis shares vulnerable insights about his own journey from mega-church pastor to someone seeking deeper relationship with God. This episode challenges entrepreneurs to examine their motivations, embrace dependence on God, and discover the freedom that comes from living with eternal perspective. Francis opens up about his decision to give away book royalties, the wisdom of Proverbs 30:7-9, and why he believes entrepreneurs have a unique opportunity to live differently and impact others through their choices. Key Topics: Breaking free from the cultural treadmill of endless achievement and busyness Why Francis wishes he could tell his younger self to focus on the main commands of Scripture The danger of coveting in entrepreneurship and how to combat it through eternal perspective Learning to be quick to listen, slow to speak in a world that rewards constant talking How entrepreneurs can use their success as a platform to live counter-culturally The relationship between taking risks of faith and experiencing deeper fellowship with God Why Francis asked God not to make him rich and what that prayer teaches us Notable Quotes: "He tells me whether I eat, drink, whatever I do, do it all for the glory of God, and so even now, are the words coming out of my mouth giving glory to him." - Francis Chan "Don't you want to be a person that is known for their love and to be so much like Christ, who didn't consider equality with God something to be held on to." - Francis Chan "You don't want to be lazy with what God's given you, I would just challenge you to go, Hey, once you're on that road to success and it's actually happening, you have an incredible opportunity to live differently." - Francis Chan
