I’m excited to share my recent AI doom interview with Eben Pagan, better known to many by his pen name David DeAngelo! For an entire generation of men, ‘David DeAngelo’ was the authority on dating—and his work transformed my approach to courtship back in the day. Now the roles reverse, as I teach Eben about a very different game, one where the survival of our entire species is at stake. In this interview, we cover the expert consensus on AI extinction, my dead-simple two-question framework for understanding the threat, why there’s no “off switch” for superintelligence, and why we desperately need international coordination before it’s too late. Timestamps 0:00 - Episode Preview 1:05 - How Liron Got Doom-Pilled 2:55 - Why There’s a 50% Chance of Doom by 2050 4:52 - What AI CEOs Actually Believe 8:14 - What “Doom” Actually Means 10:02 - The Next Species is Coming 12:41 - The Baby Dragon Fallacy 14:41 - The 2-Question Framework for AI Extinction 18:38 - AI Doesn’t Need to Hate You to Kill You 21:05 - “Computronium”: The End Game 29:51 - 3 Reasons There’s No Superintelligence “Off Switch” 36:22 - Answering ‘What Is Intelligence?” 43:24 - We Need Global Coordination Show Notes Eben has become a world-class business trainer and someone who follows the AI discourse closely. I highly recommend subscribing to his podcast for excellent interviews & actionable AI tips: @METAMIND_AI --- Doom Debates’ Mission is to raise mainstream awareness of imminent extinction from AGI and build the social infrastructure for high-quality debate. Support the mission by subscribing to my Substack at DoomDebates.com and to youtube.com/@DoomDebates , or to really take things to the next level: Donate 🙏 Get full access to Doom Debates at lironshapira.substack.com/subscribe
