Michelle Lucas knows what it means to chart your own course—especially when the stars aren't clearly mapped. In this heartfelt conversation, Michelle recounts her unexpected trajectory from a third-grader dreaming about rockets in a refrigerator box "space station" to becoming a NASA flight controller and the founder of Higher Orbits, a nonprofit bringing students' experiments to actual space. Beth and Michelle explore how childhood curiosity, persistent grit, and a few key mentors launched Michelle into the heart of space exploration—and how she's now using that same passion to light the path for others. Beth and Michelle unpack the realities of navigating NASA's culture, what safety really looks like behind the scenes, and how working in space changed Michelle's approach to life on Earth. Oh, and don't miss a fun connection Beth and Michelle laugh about: a wax-molded space shuttle from Chicago's Museum of Science and Industry. More About Michelle Lucas: Michelle is the founder of Higher Orbits , a nonprofit organization that uses spaceflight to excite and engage students in STEM, leadership, teamwork, and communication. Before launching Higher Orbits, Michelle served in multiple roles at NASA, including flight controller, instructor, and safety team member. She's a lifelong space enthusiast who believes deeply in mentoring the next generation of explorers—and still proudly owns a cassette tape of her first astronaut shoutout from space. If you're in the Chicagoland area, you can meet Michelle at the Galactic Golf Outing on May 13—a fundraiser where you can literally tee off with astronauts to support Higher Orbits' mission. (Bonus: It's hosted at the Glenn Club, once home to Neil Armstrong's naval station.) Connect with Michelle and support student STEM dreams at higherorbits.org . If you enjoyed this episode and would like to share, I'd love to hear it! We're sending stories to space AND sea! Launching MISSION 05 this week, and you'll want to make sure you have a place on board- www.storiesofspace.com Join me and our guests for all of our conversations and stories at: LinkedIn - @casualspacepodcast Facebook - @casualspacepodcast Instagram - @casualspacepodcast YouTube - @casualspacepodcast83 or email me at
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