The ThoughtStretchers Podcast

The ThoughtStretchers Podcast

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Heterodox conversations to stretch your thinking about important issues in education.
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Why Classroom Technology Harms Learning (with Jared Cooney Horvath)

Why Classroom Technology Harms Learning (with Jared Cooney Horvath)

Dec 8, 2025·

Drew Perkins welcomes neuroscientist and acclaimed author Jared Cooney Horvath to dissect his new book, The Digital Delusion, which provides a rigorous, evidence-based critique of edtech. Links & Resources Mentioned In...

How Free Speech Builds a Better Brain With Barbara Oakley

How Free Speech Builds a Better Brain With Barbara Oakley

Dec 3, 2025·

In this episode of the ThoughtStretchers podcast, host Drew Perkins talks with Dr. Barbara Oakley, distinguished professor of engineering and co-instructor of the celebrated Learning How to Learn course, to discuss her...

Knowledge-Rich Inquiry With 4QM Teaching

Knowledge-Rich Inquiry With 4QM Teaching

Nov 26, 2025·

Drew Perkins welcomes Gary Schiffman and Jon Bassett of 4QM Teaching to the podcast to discuss their new US History curriculum and the principles behind their innovative Four Question Method. Links & Resources Mentioned...

Memorizing History Facts, So What?

Memorizing History Facts, So What?

Nov 17, 2025·

Is the core of teaching history about memorizing history facts, or is it about critical thinking? And what is the role of knowledge-rich inquiry in the history classroom? Drew Perkins is joined by history educators...

Are Leveled Readers Hurting Student Growth?

Are Leveled Readers Hurting Student Growth?

Nov 10, 2025·

Drew Perkins is joined by guest co-host, fourth-grade teacher Melinda Karshner, for a critical conversation with Timothy Shanahan, Distinguished Professor Emeritus at the University of Illinois at Chicago and former...

Change Starts Here with Shane Leaning

Change Starts Here with Shane Leaning

Nov 5, 2025·

Drew Perkins talks with Shane Leaning about his new book, Change Starts Here: What If Everything Your School Needed Was Right in Front of You? Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

Digital Literacy, Civics, And Surveillance

Digital Literacy, Civics, And Surveillance

Oct 29, 2025·

Drew Perkins talks with Heidi Boghosian about her book, Cyber Citizens: Saving Democracy with Digital Literacy. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

A Critical Look at Educational Research

A Critical Look at Educational Research

Oct 21, 2025·

Drew Perkins talks with George Lilley, a veteran teacher from Australia, about his critiques of the work of John Hattie, and the Science of Learning. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

NASSP Leadership, Policy, And Student Well-Being

NASSP Leadership, Policy, And Student Well-Being

Oct 15, 2025·

Drew Perkins talks with return guest, Ronn Nozoe, CEO of the National Association of Secondary School Principals (NASSP). Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

When Politics Hijacks Education

When Politics Hijacks Education

Oct 8, 2025·

Drew Perkins talks with Vladimir Kogan about his new book, No Adult Left Behind: How Politics Hijacks Education Policy and Hurts Kids. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

A Dynamic Equilibrium Of Research And Practice

A Dynamic Equilibrium Of Research And Practice

Oct 2, 2025·

Drew Perkins talks with Rod Naquin about balancing educational research with practice as he returns to the classroom after 7 years doing educational leadership work. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

Bridging Gaps With Mental Models

Bridging Gaps With Mental Models

Sep 24, 2025·

Drew Perkins talks with Jim Heal and Rebekah Berlin about their new book, Mental Models: How understanding the mind can transform the way you work and learn. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

"Soul-Destroying" Or Empowering Pedagogy?

"Soul-Destroying" Or Empowering Pedagogy?

Sep 17, 2025·

Drew Perkins talks with Karen Vaites about navigating educational tribalism, the "Science of Learning," and the impact of knowledge-rich, coherent curricula on student outcomes. Links & Resources Mentioned In This...

Strategic Leadership

Strategic Leadership

Sep 11, 2025·

Drew Perkins talks with Rachel Curtis and Liz City, co-authors of the book Leading Strategically: Achieving Ambitious Goals in Education. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

Using A Prohuman Curriculum To Build Character And Civic Virtue

Using A Prohuman Curriculum To Build Character And Civic Virtue

Aug 29, 2025·

Drew Perkins talks with Christina LaRose about her work with the Prohuman Foundation to develop a curriculum focused on learning character through literature. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

Bridging The Science of Learning And Inquiry With Socratic Experience

Bridging The Science of Learning And Inquiry With Socratic Experience

Jul 30, 2025·

Drew Perkins talks with Michael Strong, founder of The Socratic Experience, a K–12 high-touch virtual school that equips students through Socratic dialogue, 1:1 mentoring, and creative and entrepreneurial projects...

Is The Science of Learning 'Soul Destroying'?

Is The Science of Learning 'Soul Destroying'?

Jul 24, 2025·

Drew Perkins talks with teacher-educator Rachael Jefferson about her Education HQ article from an interview that is critical of the Science of Learning movement. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

How To Have Nuanced Conversation

How To Have Nuanced Conversation

Jul 14, 2025·

Drew Perkins talks with Shane Leaning as a guest on his Education Leaders podcast about how to have conversations that focus on nuance, complexity, and understanding. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

AI In Education

AI In Education

May 30, 2025·

Drew Perkins talks with Songyee Yoon, author and founder and managing partner of the venture capital firm Principal Venture Partners (PVP), where she focuses on investing in AI-native companies transforming industries...

Powerful Knowledge And A Capabilities Curriculum

Powerful Knowledge And A Capabilities Curriculum

May 21, 2025·

Drew Perkins talks with teacher and author, Richard Bustin, about his book What Are We Teaching? Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

Science Of Learning, PBL, And Inquiry: A Salon Conversation

Science Of Learning, PBL, And Inquiry: A Salon Conversation

May 9, 2025·

Drew Perkins is joined by Andrew Watson, Dr. Cindy Nebel, and Fox Demoisey to discuss the intersections between the Science of Learning, project-based learning, and inquiry. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

Anti-DEI And Enlightenment Liberal Principles

Anti-DEI And Enlightenment Liberal Principles

Apr 16, 2025·

Drew Perkins talks with Tim Minella, Senior Constitutionalism Fellow at The Goldwater Institute, about their work to eliminate DEI in higher education. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

DEI: Expansive or Restrictive? A Salon Conversation

DEI: Expansive or Restrictive? A Salon Conversation

Apr 10, 2025·

Drew Perkins is joined by educators and DEI practitioners Carlos Hoyt, Daryl Sinclair, and Nunana Nyomi for a salon-style conversation about the complexities and nuances of DEI. Links & Resources Mentioned In This...

Powerful Questioning, Powerful Pedagogy

Powerful Questioning, Powerful Pedagogy

Apr 2, 2025·

Drew Perkins talks with Bruce Robertson about his new book, Power Up Your Questioning: A Practical Handbook for Teachers. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

Breaking The Generational Cycle Of Poverty

Breaking The Generational Cycle Of Poverty

Mar 26, 2025·

Drew Perkins talks with Dr. Abraham George about his work to help children transcend India's caste system through education and his Shanti Bhavan School. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

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