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The Hurdle Rate Podcast

Join Matt, Ben, Jeff, and Tim for an entertaining and informative weekly podcast cutting through conventional wisdom on Bitcoin, investing, and macroeconomics. Every Wednesday, this forward-thinking team delivers unique perspectives and innovative insights that challenge mainstream financial narratives, empowering listeners to make more independent decisions for their corporate or personal financial lives. Is Bitcoin your hurdle rate? New episodes every Wednesday!

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Episode 39 - The Hurdle Rate Is High

Dec 9, 2025·—

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Episode 39 - The Hurdle Rate Is High Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:30] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:01:30] Bitcoin MENA [00:22:53] Bitcoin As The Hurdle Rate [00:37:27]...

Episode 38 - The Incentives Are Aligned

Dec 2, 2025·—

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Episode 38 - The Incentives Are Aligned Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:40] The Incentives Are Aligned [00:10:50] MSTR’s Green Dots &...

Episode 37 - Meet Them Where They're At

Nov 25, 2025·—

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Episode 37 - Meet Them Where They're At Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:50] Market Uncertainty & MSCI Exclusions [00:34:14] Mike Green...

Episode 36 - Inside the Digital Credit Revolution

Nov 18, 2025·—

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Episode 36 - Inside the Digital Credit Revolution Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:01:30] Bitcoin Amsterdam & Cantor Conference Miami...

Episode 35 - Amplified Bitcoin and Digital Credit

Nov 10, 2025·—

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Episode 35 - Amplified Bitcoin and Digital Credit Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:30] The IPOs of Digital Credit [00:12:41] The...

Episode 34 - The Preferred Strategy is Digital Credit

Nov 4, 2025·—

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Episode 34 - The Preferred Strategy is Digital Credit Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:34] Strive’s SATA Announcement [00:01:15]...

Episode 33 - Credit Ratings for Digital Capital

Oct 28, 2025·—

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Episode 33 - Credit Ratings for Digital Capital Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:30] Strategy Gets a Credit Rating [00:12:43] How This...

Episode 32 - Strategic Risk Taking

Oct 22, 2025·—

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Episode 32 - Strategic Risk Taking Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:34] Recapping Tim’s Latest Bitcoin Treasuries Digital Conference...

Episode 31 - The Digital Credit Landscape

Oct 14, 2025·—

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Episode 31 - The Digital Credit Landscape Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:02:00] Crypto Crash of October 11 [00:21:11] Launching a...

Episode 30 - Focus on the Future

Oct 7, 2025·—

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Episode 30 - Focus on the Future Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:20] Ben Werkman Joins Strive as CIO [00:18:07] Tribalism and Doubt in...

Episode 29 - Bitcoin Supercycle

Sep 30, 2025·—

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Episode 29 - Bitcoin Supercycle Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:01:24] Breaking News: Tim is All In and Dedicating His Life to Bitcoin...

Episode 28 - The M&A Era has Begun

Sep 23, 2025·—

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Episode 28 - The M&A Era has Begun Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:15] Strive Acquires Semler Scientific [00:19:39] The Impact of...

Episode 27 - The Starting Line

Sep 16, 2025·—

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Episode 27 - The Starting Line Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:32] Strive Announces Board of Directors [00:29:57] Rate Cut on...

Episode 26 - Zoom Out. We're Early.

Sep 9, 2025·—

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Episode 26 - Zoom Out. We're Early. Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:40] No Strategy in the S&P 500 [00:14:20] Michael Saylor Reframes...

Episode 25 - Will Travel for Bitcoin

Sep 3, 2025·—

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Episode 25 - Will Travel for Bitcoin Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:23] Recapping Bitcoin Asia [00:21:22] STRC Dividend Increases...

Episode 24 - Fed Signals and Equity Stakes

Aug 26, 2025·—

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Episode 24 - Fed Signals and Equity Stakes Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:45] Meet The Hurdle Rate’s First Guest Host, Avik Roy...

Episode 23 - Noise in the Market

Aug 19, 2025·—

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Episode 23 - Noise in the Market Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:30] Trading Below 1 mNAV? [00:27:41] Gold Revaluation [00:36:51]...

Episode 22 - Commodity, Security, Token

Aug 13, 2025·—

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Episode 22 - Commodity, Security, Token Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:30] Bo Hines to the Private Sector [00:08:30] ETH Treasury...

Episode 21 - The Intelligent Leverage Trade: Winter Isn't Coming Back

Aug 5, 2025·—

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Episode 21 - The Intelligent Leverage Trade: Winter Isn't Coming Back Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:01:34] Recapping MSTR Earnings Call...

Episode 20 - Convert to IPO

Jul 29, 2025·—

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Episode 20 - Convert to IPO Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:01:15] STRC IPO [00:13:07] Converts and MSTR Earnings Expectations [00:22:38]...

Episode 19 - A Huge Wave of Capital isn't a STRC

Jul 23, 2025·—

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Episode 19 - A Huge Wave of Capital isn't a STRC Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] - Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:23] - STRC - What Does It Mean to You? [00:20:54]...

Episode 18 - Transparency is Not Priced In

Jul 15, 2025·—

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Episode 18 - Transparency is Not Priced In Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:01:47] Strategy’s Latest Buy [00:08:25] Altcoin Treasury Companies? [00:18:58] AI’s...

Episode 17 - Strategy hits their STRD

Jul 8, 2025·—

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Episode 17 - Strategy hits their STRD Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] - Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:13] - Jeff’s Big Announcement [00:13:17] - What Does STRD...

Episode 16 - Dividend Drip

Jul 1, 2025·—

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Episode 16 - Dividend Drip Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:21] The Dividend Drip [07:38] Strategy Added to Russell Top 200 Value Index...

Episode 15 - Billions in Bitcoin Treasuries

Jun 24, 2025·—

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Episode 15 - Billions in Bitcoin Treasuries Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [01:16] Tim and Matt Recap BTC Prague [09:53] Where Can Bitcoin...