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The CEO’s Guide to Marketing offers a no-nonsense take on the business of marketing and the marketing of business. Hosted by Seth Matlins, Managing Director of the Forbes CMO Network, this series provides a master class in raising the C-suite's marketing IQ through candid conversations with renowned marketers and executives.

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The one with Diageo CMO, Cristina Diezhandino, about what CEOs need to know about organizing to meet and lead marketplace evolutions, managing investment across a massive brand portfolio, and what can get in the way of marketing delivering against its growth mission.

The one with Diageo CMO, Cristina Diezhandino, about what CEOs need to know about organizing to meet and lead marketplace evolutions, managing investment across a massive brand portfolio, and what can get in the way of marketing delivering against its growth mission.

Dec 4, 2025·

In this season-ending episode I talk with Diageo CMO, Cristina Diezhandino, about what CEOs need to know about organizing to meet and lead marketplace evolutions, managing investment across a massive brand portfolio...

The one with Tubi CMO Nicole Parlapiano about problem-solving, creativity, the time to traction, and effing around and finding out.

The one with Tubi CMO Nicole Parlapiano about problem-solving, creativity, the time to traction, and effing around and finding out.

Oct 2, 2025·

In this conversation, Nicole and I talk about why problem-solving is a team sport, the value of intrigue, the too-often divorce of product and marketing teams and why it’s okay not to achieve every big goal. See Privacy...

David Droga’s Exit Interview

David Droga’s Exit Interview

Sep 25, 2025·

The one with David Droga, as he exits his role as CEO of Accenture Song, about the CEO learning curve, the value of intimidation, friction and starting at the end. In this episode, releasing as the legendary marketer...

The one with PepsiCo Beverages US CMO Mark Kirkham about the science of growth and the math of differentiation.

The one with PepsiCo Beverages US CMO Mark Kirkham about the science of growth and the math of differentiation.

Sep 12, 2025·

In this episode Mark and I talk about the evolution of one of the quintessential brand battles in marketing history, why word-of-mouth is the original algorithm, and his framework for deciding when to extend a brand...

The one with TIAA Chief Marketing and Communications Officer Micky Onvural about the lessons learned in going from CMO to CEO and CEO to CMO.

The one with TIAA Chief Marketing and Communications Officer Micky Onvural about the lessons learned in going from CMO to CEO and CEO to CMO.

Sep 5, 2025·

In this episode Micky, the one-time CEO of Bonobos, and I talk about her experiences on both sides of what’s all too-often a divide, what’s missing in the CEO/CMO conversation, and why company culture should be seen as...

The one with ServiceNow CMO Colin Fleming about how buying happens, what B2C marketing can learn from B2B and B2C from B2B, and a case well made for doing less, exceptionally.

The one with ServiceNow CMO Colin Fleming about how buying happens, what B2C marketing can learn from B2B and B2C from B2B, and a case well made for doing less, exceptionally.

Aug 27, 2025·

In this episode, Colin and I talk about why he drove a strategic shift from product-led marketing to brand-led, the end of the funnel, what all marketing—and buying—has in common, and how simplicity can help anchor...

The one with McKinsey Senior Partners Kelsey Robinson and Shelley Stewart about the bottom-line consequences of the CEO and CMO disconnect.

The one with McKinsey Senior Partners Kelsey Robinson and Shelley Stewart about the bottom-line consequences of the CEO and CMO disconnect.

Aug 6, 2025·

In this conversation, Kelsey and Shelley unpack McKinsey’s latest research into the CEO and CMO relationship which at the risk of giving away the punchline isn’t that good. We get into and underneath the numbers and the...

The one with Unilever Chief Growth & Marketing Officer, Esi Eggleston Bracey on what CEOs need to know about driving desirability at scale, the difference between marketing and sales, and how you win hearts, minds—and machines.

The one with Unilever Chief Growth & Marketing Officer, Esi Eggleston Bracey on what CEOs need to know about driving desirability at scale, the difference between marketing and sales, and how you win hearts, minds—and machines.

Jul 30, 2025·

In this conversation with Esi, we covered a lot of ground but kept coming back to some fundamental truths about desire, reach, engagement, and conversion. Esi’s been a CEO, GM and President and she brings all that and...

The one with Cannes Lions CEO Simon Cook on what was said at the Festival’s inaugural Global CEO Forum about why creativity is an organizational imperative, the high cost of “not now”, and why “creativity” may have a brand problem.

The one with Cannes Lions CEO Simon Cook on what was said at the Festival’s inaugural Global CEO Forum about why creativity is an organizational imperative, the high cost of “not now”, and why “creativity” may have a brand problem.

Jul 23, 2025·

In this conversation I sit with Cannes Lions CeO Simon Cook, to talk about what we both heard at the Festival’s inaugural Global CEO Forum, which I moderated and facilitated. Some 50 CEO’s from around the world took...

The one with Meta’s CMO and VP Analytics Alex Schultz about timeless truths, and measuring for incrementality and impact.

The one with Meta’s CMO and VP Analytics Alex Schultz about timeless truths, and measuring for incrementality and impact.

Jul 16, 2025·

In this episode I talk with Meta’s CMO and VP Analytics Alex Schultz, whose work has probably influenced the work of more marketers than just about anyone else’s over the past decade. Besides correcting my misperception...

The one with Rare Beauty CMO Katie Welch on paying attention to attention, ensuring a lipstick is more than a lipstick, and the fine arts of getting someone to do something.

The one with Rare Beauty CMO Katie Welch on paying attention to attention, ensuring a lipstick is more than a lipstick, and the fine arts of getting someone to do something.

Jul 9, 2025·

In this episode I talk with Rare Beauty CMO Katie Welch about CEO’s who give CMOs the permission to do what they do best, the lessons beauty-category marketing has for others, and why you have to avoid “tactic soup.”...

The one with the founder and CEO of Alembic Technologies, Tomás Puig, about what to do when you just don't know, cause and effect correlation, and what may be the most advanced marketing attribution model today.

The one with the founder and CEO of Alembic Technologies, Tomás Puig, about what to do when you just don't know, cause and effect correlation, and what may be the most advanced marketing attribution model today.

Jul 2, 2025·

When I first heard Tomás speak at a conference about problem-solving and attribution, I knew I wanted to have him on the show. In this conversation, we talk about marketing's deep hunger for actual solutions, the cost...

The one with...um, me, Seth Matlins, about the nature of marketing influence and other things CEOs (and CMOs) might consider.

The one with...um, me, Seth Matlins, about the nature of marketing influence and other things CEOs (and CMOs) might consider.

May 8, 2025·

In this bonus episode, the tables turn and Seth goes from interviewer to interviewee as he sits with Jon Evans, on his Uncensored CMO podcast. See Privacy Policy at and California Privacy Notice at

The one with Hasbro CMO Jason Bunge about resetting marketing muscle memory, how to feed the appetite for investment, and his favorite metric to hate.

The one with Hasbro CMO Jason Bunge about resetting marketing muscle memory, how to feed the appetite for investment, and his favorite metric to hate.

Apr 30, 2025·

In this episode I talk with Hasbro‘s first-ever CMO Jason Bunge about working with the c-suite to build marketing capabilities in a 104-year-old-company, the different strategic roles marketing plays across different...

The one with NFL CMO Tim Ellis on future-proofing the league, Monday Morning Marketing, and why the short-term must always support the long-term.

The one with NFL CMO Tim Ellis on future-proofing the league, Monday Morning Marketing, and why the short-term must always support the long-term.

Apr 23, 2025·

In this episode, I talk with Tim about creative courage, marketing to and with the Commissioner and owners, and how to both focus on and transcend the game. Note: In the episode, Tim tells us the story of how...

The one with Fundamentalco founder and CEO Jonny Bauer about how to make a company more valuable.

The one with Fundamentalco founder and CEO Jonny Bauer about how to make a company more valuable.

Apr 16, 2025·

In this episode, I talk with Jonny Bauer about his thesis on enterprise value creation, one formed by his years as Droga5’s Chief Strategy Officer and Blackstone’s Global Head of Brand Strategy and Transformation. Now...

The one with legendary CMO Linda Boff on the path from Thomas Edison to the present, making the invisible visible, and the lessons CEOs can learn from getting dressed in the morning.

The one with legendary CMO Linda Boff on the path from Thomas Edison to the present, making the invisible visible, and the lessons CEOs can learn from getting dressed in the morning.

Apr 9, 2025·

In this episode, I sit down with Linda Boff, now CEO of Said Differently, and the long-time CMO of GE. I wanted to talk with Linda about her experience working with three different CEOs (at GE alone), humanizing an...

The one with Walmart CMO William White about the essential strategic importance of remembering you can do anything but not everything.

The one with Walmart CMO William White about the essential strategic importance of remembering you can do anything but not everything.

Apr 2, 2025·

In this episode, Seth sits down with Walmart CMO, William White, to talk about the commercial value of brands even when you’re selling every-day-low-prices, how every touchpoint connects—or doesn’t, and using the...

The one with HP Chief Marketing and Corporate Affairs Officer Antonio Lucio about following the money, the relationship between numbers and ideas, and the bottom-line consequences of defining marketing too narrowly.

The one with HP Chief Marketing and Corporate Affairs Officer Antonio Lucio about following the money, the relationship between numbers and ideas, and the bottom-line consequences of defining marketing too narrowly.

Feb 27, 2025·

In this episode, Seth sits with Antonio Lucio, Chief Marketing and Corporate Affairs Officer at HP, to talk about Antonio’s advice to CEOs and CMOs, what marketing is in service to, the consequences of isolating and not...

The one with Calvin Klein CMO Jonathan Bottomley on the business of telling truth with power, an archaeological way of thinking, and the analytical arts.

The one with Calvin Klein CMO Jonathan Bottomley on the business of telling truth with power, an archaeological way of thinking, and the analytical arts.

Feb 20, 2025·

In this episode, Seth sits with Calvin Klein CMO Jonathan Bottomley to talk about lessons learned from—and applied outside—luxury; the important distinction between overthinking and overcomplicating, and the way ideas...

The one with Chime CMO Vineet Mehra about commercial leadership, capital allocation, and a Biggie versus Tupac marketing metaphor.

The one with Chime CMO Vineet Mehra about commercial leadership, capital allocation, and a Biggie versus Tupac marketing metaphor.

Feb 14, 2025·

In this conversation, Seth and Chime CMO Vineet Mehra talked about the CAC (customer acquisition cost) valley of death, explaining unit economic payback, and how a CFO’s willingness to invest money—especially when they...

The one with Visa CMO Frank Cooper about predicting and interpreting outcomes.

The one with Visa CMO Frank Cooper about predicting and interpreting outcomes.

Feb 5, 2025·

In this episode, Seth talks with Frank Cooper, who has been the CMO at Visa, Blackstone, and Buzzfeed about causation, correlation and dispelling the myth that marketing doesn’t drive commercial outcomes. Here's a link...

The one with Ally Financial’s Chief Marketing and PR Officer Andrea Brimmer about the c-suite’s lack of understanding of marketing’s complexity.

The one with Ally Financial’s Chief Marketing and PR Officer Andrea Brimmer about the c-suite’s lack of understanding of marketing’s complexity.

Jan 29, 2025·

For this conversation, Seth sits with Ally Financial’s Chief Marketing and PR Officer Andrea Brimmer for a wide-ranging conversation about what can either facilitate or get in the way of marketing’s role in value...

The one with DoorDash Chief Marketing Officer Kofi Amoo-Gottfried about the sum of all interactions and associations.

The one with DoorDash Chief Marketing Officer Kofi Amoo-Gottfried about the sum of all interactions and associations.

Jan 22, 2025·

In this episode, Seth sits down with Kofi Amoo-Gottfried, CMO at DoorDash. Kofi’s perspective on what CEOs (and the rest of the c-suite) need to better understand about marketing has been informed by his years as a...

The one with Pinterest Chief Marketing and Communications Officer Andréa Mallard about the marketing value of marketers undervaluing their work.

The one with Pinterest Chief Marketing and Communications Officer Andréa Mallard about the marketing value of marketers undervaluing their work.

Jan 15, 2025·

In this episode, Seth sits down with Andréa Mallard, Chief Marketing and Communications Officer at Pinterest. Dré has a broad portfolio and a relatively unusual breadth of accountability, overseeing teams responsible...

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