Ryan Fleisch is the h ead of product marketing for Adobe Real-Time Customer Data Platform (CDP) , and audience manager at Adobe. He is also a recent first-time girl dad and Alan's go-to technology whisperer. Ryan has experience on both the agency and brand sides of digital marketing and has been with Adobe since 2014. His current role, coupled with his previous leadership roles in solution consulting, has allowed him to understand the technical nuances of marketing and advertising technology and the big-picture trends that are transforming the industry at large. In today's episode, Alan and Ryan reconnect for another interview at Adobe Summit 2025 to discuss Adobe's new marketer-first data collaboration tools and what marketing professionals need to know to help them stay ahead of the curve. When it comes to winning impressions in the crowded attention economy, using data wisely is the difference between standing out and blending in with the thousands of ads consumers see daily. Ryan also explains how agentic AI can help mar keters move from data synthesis to action , allowing them to scale their impact as individuals and departments. Key quotes: "Agentic AI doesn't just understand my business data. It actually understands my business processes and my goals" - Ryan Fleisch , head of p roduct m arketing for Adobe Real-Time CDP, and audience manager at Adobe In this episode, you'll learn: How to understand the attention economy Why "clean sketches" may replace " clean rooms " What a gentic AI could mean for your marketing strategy Key highlights: [0 2:05 ] "The sleep deprivation is real." [0 3:30 ] Ryan's path to Adobe [0 6:00 ] Understanding the attention economy [0 8:25 ] The data tradeoff between scale and accuracy [ 10:30 ] Launching Real-Time CDP evaluation s [ 11:30 ] Old " c lean rooms " v ersus new "clean sketches" [ 14:45 ] AI empowering humans to do what they do bes t [ 16:40 ] Gen erative AI versus a gentic AI [ 20:10 ] Sorry Spock, Emotions Drive Business [ 22:45 ] An experience that defines you: D on't fe ar the bunk bed [ 25:30 ] Advice to your younger self: L ook at the big picture [ 27:05 ] A topic marketers need to learn more about: A gentic AI and physical art [ 28:50 ] Subcultures to follow: A ppreciate artists [ 29:35 ] Largest opportunity or threat to marketers today: P a i ring content with data Resources mentioned: Ryan Fleisch Adobe Adobe Real-Time CDP Adobe Audience Manager Announcement of new Adobe Real-Time CDP collaboration Follow the podcast: Listen on Apple Podcasts Listen on Amazon Music Listen on Audible Listen on iHeart Radio Listen on Spotify Connect with Ryan Fleish and Adobe Ryan Fleisch on LinkedIn Adobe on X Adobe on Instagram Connect with Alan Hart and Deloitte Digital: Alan Hart on X Alan Hart on LinkedIn Deloitte Digital on LinkedIn Deloitte Digital on Instagram Deloitte Digital on YouTube Deloitte Digital on Threads
