Should every dollar spent in carbon removal be maximally catalytic? Or is it okay to try to get a really good deal for your net-zero target? What even is this industry for?! Joining the show today—somehow for the first time ever—is Robert Höglund, a long-time CDR-watcher and writer; Co-Founder of the carbon removal's data repository-of-record, CDR.fyi, and the Head of CDR at Milkywire. Robert endures a barrage of questions about how his thinking on carbon removal has changed over the years, and him and host Ross Kenyon try to ferret out what it actually means to be catalytic. Is carbon accounting just for knuckleheads? The truth... may surprise you. This Episode's Sponsors ClimeFi Arbonics Listen to the RCC episode with Lisett Luik from Arbonics Become a sponsor by emailing carbon.removal.strategies[at]gmail.com Use this affiliate link to use Descript's transcripting and podcast editing service Use this affiliate link to use Riverside to record your podcasts Resources Become a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate Change Robert Höglund on LinkedIn Robert Höglund's website for his advisory work Robert Höglund's many articles CDR.fyi Milkywire 348: Is a Lack of Open Science Holding Carbon Removal Back?—w/ Freya Chay & Tyler Kukla of CDRXIV & CarbonPlan 333: Coproduction & Additionality: How Do We Draw the Line for Carbon Removal?—w/ Grant Faber, Carbon-Based Consulting "Collective Action Problem" on Wikipedia The Dark Knight ferry scene