In this episode, I welcome back returning guest Jason Fry, author of National Divorce: A Plan for Peace and a sixth-generation Texan, for a deep-dive conversation on Texas sovereignty and the practical path to a peaceful, legal separation from the federal system. We discuss why America’s core ideas—freedom, limited government, and God-given rights—aren’t the same as today’s federal apparatus, and how a “national divorce” can mirror a civil, negotiated split rather than war. We unpack state-level readiness (like the Texas Stock Exchange), fiscal realities, defense and currency considerations, the role of local leadership, and why a democratic referendum—not force—is central to any legitimate path forward. We also revisit recent border showdowns, post-election polarization, and how independence movements across states (and worldwide) illustrate that decentralization can reduce cultural conflict by letting regions self-govern. We touch on Jason’s faith and family perspective, his career and craft as a knifemaker, and the importance of preparing personally and politically: build strong families, support capable local leaders, and insist lawmakers let Texans vote on their future. Jason shares where to get his book (and a signed copy) and makes the case that a thoughtfully negotiated transition—much like Brexit—can protect prosperity and peace while aligning government with Texas values. Joe's GoFundMe: https://www.gofundme.com/f/raise-funds-to-cover-mortgage-escrow-shortage FOLLOW US ON: RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/joerooz YouTube: https://youtube.com/@joerooz TWITCH: https://twitch.tv/joerooz X: https://x.com/joerooz Facebook: https://facebook.com/joeroozpodcast Minds: https://minds.com/joerooz GETTR: https://gettr.com/joerooz Want to be a guest on The Joe Rooz Show? Send Joe a message on PodMatch, here: https://www.podmatch.com/hostdetailpreview/joe Music: https://youtube.com/@pogo (00:04:10) Opening from Eagle Pass and week-in-review (00:06:23) Weekend shows: crypto picks and Bible study on wisdom (00:11:19) Guest intro: Jason Fry on National Divorce (00:13:06) Tech hiccups, Starlink chat, and warm-up banter (00:15:16) Getting to know Jason: background, hobbies, family (00:20:00) Faith, family, and politics: roots of Jason’s views (00:21:32) Texas politics frustrations: taxes, speakers, priorities (00:25:16) Outside money in Texas elections and state sovereignty (00:27:30) California-Texas migration and cultural friction (00:29:00) Upcoming guest tease and 2025 sovereignty signals (00:29:38) Gold depository, TX Stock Exchange, and preparedness (00:32:33) Does a friendlier DC slow independence movements? (00:35:08) Polarization, violence concerns, and the ‘Judges’ analogy (00:41:24) Shelby Park standoff: near-miss cautionary tale (00:43:25) National Divorce explained: the marriage metaphor (00:49:52) Addressing ‘civil war’ and treason accusations (00:51:14) Can independence reduce polarization across states? (00:55:23) One-size-fits-all governance vs. diverse states (00:57:36) Perpetual union, realism, and consent of the governed (01:04:03) America as an idea vs. the U.S. government (01:08:36) Federal overreach and the case for robust federalism (01:12:42) Post-breakup cooperation: trade and defense possibilities (01:14:43) Independence movements beyond Texas (01:17:37) ‘Post-TEXIT’ worries: Social Security and practicality (01:20:51) Ballot access hurdles and party platform irony (01:22:23) Who really funds what? Federal taxes and returns (01:25:32) Donor states, spending priorities, and defense costs (01:27:06) Keeping Texas dollars in Texas (01:34:34) Immigration: borders, rules, and enforcement swings (01:36:54) Executive orders, rule of law, and systemic drift (01:38:15) How to prepare: personal resilience and local politics (01:41:42) Let the people vote: referendum vs. legislature’s fear (01:45:25) If it passed: process, not tanks—Brexit as model (01:51:10) Negotiating currency, defense, and bases post-exit (01:51:15) Why D.C. violence makes no sense against a vote (01:54:40) Final case: divide on purpose, negotiate in peace (01:56:36) Book plug: National Divorce and where to buy (01:59:22) Show wrap, calls to support, and programming notes - Joe "Rooz" Russiello - Marisa Lee - Jason Fry - Wayne Rankin - Rosanna Rankin - Angela Wetuski - Carolina Jimenez https://www.joerooz.com/support https://www.joerooz.com
