Paul Millerd and his book the Pathless Path found me in a moment where I was deeply lost, professionally and personally. Through his writing, I went from believing that work had to be tedious misery on an established path to prestige (hence being a grindy lawyer) to viewing it as a series of experiments that could look whatever way I wanted. It was deeply liberating. Because of his writing, I was reassured that I wasn’t totally losing my mind, or if I was, I was in good company, and I finally got the courage to try out a bunch of cool stuff to build a life that lights me up (a work in progress!). In this conversation, Paul and I talk about the “Pathless Path”: what it is (and isn’t), why “you can’t do it wrong, but you do have to do it yourself,” and how to design days that feel good. We get into money anxiety, choosing principles over playbooks, nomadic parenting, education vs. school, and Paul’s “Ship, Quit & Learn” approach. Paul is such a sharp, humble, and generous dude, and this conversation was so much fun. He just reissued an absolutely gorgeous hardcover version of his classic book The Pathless Path. There’s even a limited number of handsigned versions available, plus some cool early launch bonuses. Pick up your copy at https://shop.pathlesspath.com/products/pathless-path-hardcover Timestamps * 0:00 – Intro * 02:49 — How Paul’s writing found me when I was lost * 04:56 — Quitting, loneliness, and posting your real income * 08:15 — Defining the Pathless Path: embrace uncertainty, keep your sense of humor * 11:28 — Money stress, past-self gifts, and choosing priorities out loud * 14:07 — “Why are you doing this?” Because it feels right (and that’s enough) * 20:30 — A real Tuesday in the life of Paul * 24:22 — Traveling Village: 20 families, three countries, open questions * 28:05 — School vs. education; raising curious humans, not resumes * 32:33 — Ship, Quit & Learn: how to start things without a playbook * 35:56 — Optimizing for aliveness * 37:55 — Tradeoffs on cars, houses, and a year of travel for $40K * 41:03 — Partnership alignment, and writing your shared story * 45:51 — The Accidental Meaning Hypothesis: why “the package” became the point * 52:24 — Capitalism, private equity, and systems that keep evolving * 54:06 — The “secure the bag” economy and caring about work * 56:18 — A week with miserable lawyers? Hard pass (but we kid… mostly) * 58:19 — New season: fatherhood, fewer hours, more intention * 1:01:34 — Good hard vs. bad hard; writing as the edge worth pushing * 1:04:09 — You don’t have to feel bad while working (really!!) * 1:05:32 — The gorgeous hardcover of The Pathless Path is coming * 1:07:21 — “Find the others”: community, WhatsApp, and global meetups About Paul: Paul Millerd is an independent writer and creator who explores themes of ambition, meaning, and the tension between freedom and security in the modern working world. He is the author of The Pathless Path, a bestselling book translated into multiple languages that dares readers to reimagine success and dream bigger about the possibilities of a life beyond the traditional career track. He also published a second book, Good Work, in 2024 and continues to write and explore his curiosity through his newsletter, podcast, and conversations with fellow curious humans around the world. Before being self-employed, Paul spent ten years working in strategy consulting, with experience leading organizational change and operations excellence research at McKinsey & Company and Boston Consulting Group, among other firms. Paul has a B.S. in Industrial Engineering and Management from the University of Connecticut and an MBA and M.S. in Systems Engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. You can follow Paul Millerd on Substack at https://substack.com/@paulmillerd This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit alliecanton.substack.com
