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In this episode of the Mindfulness Exercises Podcast, Sean Fargo speaks with Ariel Garten—neuroscientist, innovator, and co-founder of Muse, the brain-sensing meditation device.
Blending neuroscience, mindfulness, and entrepreneurship, Ariel offers a unique perspective on how we can train the mind to become more aware, focused, and resilient.
She shares the science behind brainwave activity in meditation, the difference between concentration and mindfulness, and how real-time feedback can deepen self-awareness.
Together, Ariel and Sean explore the intersection of technology and mindfulness and how tools like Muse can support practitioners and teachers in cultivating consistency and insight.
CHAPTERS
00:00 — Intro
01:52 — What Muse Measures in the Brain
05:20 — Concentration vs. Mindfulness
09:45 — How Biofeedback Deepens Practice
13:18 — Brainwave States in Meditation
16:40 — Why Real-Time Feedback Matters
20:33 — The Role of Self-Compassion
24:09 — Using Muse Without Judgment
28:01 — Tech + Mindfulness for Behavior Change
32:16 — Insights from Data-Driven Practice
36:44 — Ariel’s Vision for the Future of Muse
40:00 — Closing Reflections & Where to Learn More
💡 Learn more about Ariel's work Muse - https://www.ChooseMuse.com/Mindfulness
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