Send us a text Some moments feel like they were made just for you. That’s where we begin: with signs that don’t demand worship, but invite movement. Joe shares a mysterious “divine download” memory and Bishop Kevin reframes it as a signal that did its job. From there we trace a throughline of purpose: how to recognize direction, how to respond without getting stuck, and how to keep evolving even when the road dips into a valley after a peak. We ground transformation in something you can hold: a butterfly garden. Watching a chrysalis split open makes struggle look different. Kevin urges us to step back from our lives like observers in a garden, celebrate what’s growing, and accept that cycles repeat at higher levels. The key is rhythm. Celebrate and pivot. To drive it home, we unpack a sharp parable: Blockbuster vs. Netflix. Stay in the party too long and you miss the future; iterate and you lead it. That mindset applies to health, faith, leadership, and relationships. Music becomes the universal language in this story. Kevin walks us through his self-taught journey from drums to songwriting and the message behind his favorite track, Already Won. We explore how melody reaches places words can’t, including one guest’s recovery from a severe mental health battle. Then we widen the lens to ministry at scale: a multicultural, multi-generational, hybrid church that measures impact by changed lives, not busy schedules. Thousands of faith decisions, meals and toys distributed, a leadership network across the seven spheres of society, and a digital reach that proves a phone can be a sanctuary. The most gripping moment is quiet: a staff member planning to end her life prays for a sign; minutes later, Kevin feels an odd urge to drive to the campus and unknowingly interrupts the plan. That theme repeats daily in smaller ways—short videos, timely messages, answered DMs—that give someone one more day. We close with a practice you can use right now: pray to see the signs and respond to them. If this conversation spoke life into you, subscribe, share it with someone who needs a sign today, and leave a review to help more people find it. Intro for podcast information about subscriptions Support the show Support for Joe's Cure Here is the link for Sunday's 4 pm Pacific time Zoom meeting
