The Business of Spirituality with Michelle Freed Michelle Freed is a seasoned publicist, media strategist, and founder of Leave it to Michelle Media, where she helps authors, researchers, and visionaries bring their work to wider audiences. With a career spanning radio production, publicity, and media coaching, she has collaborated with some of the most well-known names in metaphysics, spirituality, and consciousness studies. In addition to her work as a publicist and producer, she is a practicing hypnotherapist, remote viewer, and co-host of the podcast The PsiChicks with Debra Lynne Katz. In this wide-ranging conversation, Dr. Debra Lynne Katz interviews Michelle about “the business of spirituality.” Together, they explore the opportunities and challenges faced by practitioners, from setting boundaries and building credibility to navigating ethics, marketing, and public perceptions. Drawing on her experience in both media and spiritual practice, Michelle offers candid insights into how seekers and professionals can pursue authentic work while sustaining their livelihood. 00:00:00 Introduction by Debra Lynne Katz 00:01:57 Michelle’s early work with Art Bell and Jimmy Church 00:04:13 Discovering metaphysics and remote viewing 00:06:02 From hypnosis to “hypno-marketing” 00:08:15 Becoming a publicist and media producer 00:20:26 Pitfalls of coaching programs and marketing schemes 00:39:17 Money, energy exchange, and worthiness 00:45:01 Cultural views on charging for spiritual services 01:02:46 Synchronicity, manifestation, and belief 01:04:55 Ethics, boundaries, and predatory behavior in spiritual communities 01:24:48 Closing reflections and audience engagement NTA Guest Host Debra Lynne Katz, PhD, is founder of the International School of Clairvoyance. She currently serves as President of the International Remote Viewing Association (IRVA) and is an adjunct professor at the California Institute for Human Science. Her books include You Are Psychic, Extraordinary Psychic, and Associative Remote Viewing Her website is debrakatz.com (Recorded on June 30, 2025) For a short video on How to Get the Most From New Thinking Allowed, go to https://youtu.be/aVbfPFGxv9o For a complete, updated list with links to all of our videos, see https://newthinkingallowed.com/Listings.htm. Check out the New Thinking Allowed Foundation website at http://www.newthinkingallowed.org. There you will find our incredible, searchable database as well as opportunities to shop and to support our video productions – plus, this is where people can subscribe to our FREE, weekly Newsletter and can download a FREE .pdf copy of our quarterly magazine. To order high-quality, printed copies of our quarterly magazine: NTA-Magazine.MagCloud.com If you would like to join our team of volunteers, helping to promote the New Thinking Allowed YouTube channel on social media, editing and translating videos, creating short video trailers based on our interviews, helping to upgrade our website, or contributing in other ways (we may not even have thought of), please send an email to
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